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Patch Taking Long to Apply... - 1/19/2010 11:32:02 AM   
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We have a patch that contains approximately 40 files, but they are all fairly small. When we apply the patch, it seems to take a long time to install. What would be causing this? It's actually taking longer to apply the patch than it does to install the complete application.

I guess I'll try logging and examine that to see what is taking so long....

Here's some events and surrounding log file entries where time gaps occur..

MSI © (E8:84) [10:47:33:409]: Validating transform 'Target01ToUpgrade01' with validation bits 0x922
MSI © (E8:84) [10:47:33:409]: Transform 'Target01ToUpgrade01' is valid.
MSI © (E8:84) [10:47:33:472]: Note: 1: 2262 2: Property 3: -2147287038
MSI © (E8:84) [10:47:33:472]: Note: 1: 2262 2: Feature 3: -2147287038
MSI © (E8:84) [10:47:33:472]: Note: 1: 2262 2: Condition 3: -2147287038
MSI © (E8:84) [10:47:34:487]: Exceeded 64K strings. Bumping database string index size.
MSI © (E8:84) [10:50:55:475]: Note: 1: 2262 2: Dialog 3: -2147287038
MSI © (E8:84) [10:50:55:475]: Note: 1: 2262 2: InstallUISequence 3: -2147287038
MSI © (E8:84) [10:50:55:475]: Note: 1: 2262 2: AdminUISequence 3: -2147287038
MSI © (E8:84) [10:50:55:475]: Note: 1: 2262 2: AdminExecuteSequence 3: -2147287038

MSI (s) (34:10) [10:52:18:367]: Validating transform 'Target01ToUpgrade01' with validation bits 0x922
MSI (s) (34:10) [10:52:18:367]: Transform 'Target01ToUpgrade01' is valid.
MSI (s) (34:10) [10:52:18:461]: Note: 1: 2262 2: Property 3: -2147287038
MSI (s) (34:10) [10:52:18:461]: Note: 1: 2262 2: Feature 3: -2147287038
MSI (s) (34:10) [10:52:18:476]: Note: 1: 2262 2: Condition 3: -2147287038
MSI (s) (34:10) [10:52:19:476]: Exceeded 64K strings. Bumping database string index size.
MSI (s) (34:10) [10:55:39:806]: Note: 1: 2262 2: Dialog 3: -2147287038
MSI (s) (34:10) [10:55:39:806]: Note: 1: 2262 2: InstallUISequence 3: -2147287038
MSI (s) (34:10) [10:55:39:806]: Note: 1: 2262 2: AdminUISequence 3: -2147287038
MSI (s) (34:10) [10:55:39:822]: Note: 1: 2262 2: AdminExecuteSequence 3: -2147287038
MSI (s) (34:10) [10:55:39:822]: Note: 1: 2262 2: AdvtExecuteSequence 3: -2147287038

The rest of the logging seemed to indicate no significant time gaps for one operation. Does anyone know what might be causing this? If you need the full log or more snippets, please let me know.
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RE: Patch Taking Long to Apply... - 1/19/2010 11:55:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hmmm...-2147287038 is a decimal representation of the hex FFFFFFFF80030002. Remove the leading 8 Fs (as one does) we're left with 80030002. That is a common OLE error - MSIs are based on the OLE document model - where a stream is missing. Quite what it means here, though, is a mystery to me. Normally, I'd expect to see the text 'Stream Not Found' note, too.


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RE: Patch Taking Long to Apply... - 1/19/2010 1:57:34 PM   
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where a stream is missing


What does this mean? What does stream refer to? Is this indicating a problem with the patch package or the original installation being patched or can that not be determined from this type of error?

Should this patch package deploy with this type of error? It seems the files are placed OK, but I'm waiting to hear from QA as to whether functionality is there or not.

I also wonder that if the patch is applicable, will it cause any problems for update down the road.

I did make it a removable patch and filled in the Description, Display Name and Manufacturer Name in the Wise Patch Removal Settings. I checked the their documentation and Classification is a required setting. I did not have that populated and the doc indicates that it is required...

"(Required.) Enter text to describe the category of updates that this patch
belongs to. The category descriptions are arbitrary. Examples: hot fix, security
rollup, update, critical update, service pack, update rollup, and so on."

I'm currently testing this to see if that possibly caused the problem using the value of service pack.

Any further information is appreciated.

UPDATE: Recreating the patch to include the Category description did not appear to shorten the time of application at all.

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RE: Patch Taking Long to Apply... - 1/19/2010 2:41:17 PM   
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What does this mean? What does stream refer to?
As usual, Google to the rescue. See here. Completing those details in Wise will make no difference: those fields are for information only.


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RE: Patch Taking Long to Apply... - 1/19/2010 3:00:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's all Greek to me. Does that link present the solution/resolution to the issue?

I don't get it

What did you search for in Google?

http://blogs.msdn.com/heaths/archive/2006/01/18/error-2262-not-necessarily-a-fatal-error.aspx

???

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RE: Patch Taking Long to Apply... - 1/20/2010 10:28:47 AM   
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Does that link present the solution/resolution to the issue?
You asked what streams were. The link contains details about compound files. Essentially, they're files within files.

The link *you* posted tells you what the log details are all about (good work on that, BTW).


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RE: Patch Taking Long to Apply... - 1/20/2010 10:36:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		I emailed the blogger about my log details and he indicated that my log 'stuff' looks to be what is expected or is nothing out of the ordinary.

The Patch eventually finishes to completion and app is funtional afterward in the patched areas.

I have no idea what's going on, but I guess we may have to live with the long application time.

Thanks for the help. I'll appreciate anything else you can think of, of course! :D

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RE: Patch Taking Long to Apply... - 1/20/2010 12:55:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Did you read Stephan's reply to your identical post on InstallSite? As he points out, it could simply be that the engine takes a long time to increase the string size limit. I would expect that, being a Microsoft product (actually, a Microsoft-ised Wise product), it makes the change once and fails to raise a flag that it already did so and just keeps repeating the exercise.


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RE: Patch Taking Long to Apply... - 1/20/2010 2:02:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just wonder what is causing the resizing. It has never happened before. Similar patches have applied in 40 seconds to a minute in the past.

I even tried running the patch silently to see if that bypassed anything, but still same.

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RE: Patch Taking Long to Apply... - 1/21/2010 8:59:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		A string somewhere exceeds the normal 64K limit, just like the message in the log is telling you. BTW, you *are* intending to apply the patch to an Administrative Installation point, rather than individual clients, aren't you? In which case, why worry? It's a one-off wait. If you're intending to patch clients, good luck...


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RE: Patch Taking Long to Apply... - 1/21/2010 9:47:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Unfortunately, we patch individual clients. That's just the way it was designed.

I tried run Orca validation to see what limit is being exceeded. With version 3.1.4000.2049 of that tool it asks for a Validation File and what ICEs to run. Does anyone know what these might be?

Folowing reception of this tip, I did run Package Validation in Wise and there was some string overflow stuff in there.... 

String overflow (greater than length permitted in column); Table: Component, Column: KeyPath, Key(s): downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.762.98CB24AD_52FB_DB5F_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E	ice03.html	Component	KeyPath	downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.762.98CB24AD_52FB_DB5F_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E

Evaluation: ICE03

String overflow (greater than length permitted in column); Table: Component, Column: KeyPath, Key(s): downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.193.98CB24AD_52FB_DB5F_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E	ice03.html	Component	KeyPath	downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.193.98CB24AD_52FB_DB5F_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E

Evaluation: ICE03

String overflow (greater than length permitted in column); Table: Component, Column: KeyPath, Key(s): downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.104.98CB24AD_52FB_DB5F_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E	ice03.html	Component	KeyPath	downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.104.98CB24AD_52FB_DB5F_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E

Evaluation: ICE03

String overflow (greater than length permitted in column); Table: Component, Column: KeyPath, Key(s): downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.103.98CB24AD_52FB_DB5F_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E	ice03.html	Component	KeyPath	downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.103.98CB24AD_52FB_DB5F_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E

Evaluation: ICE03

String overflow (greater than length permitted in column); Table: Component, Column: KeyPath, Key(s): downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.101.98CB24AD_52FB_DB5F_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E	ice03.html	Component	KeyPath	downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.101.98CB24AD_52FB_DB5F_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E

Evaluation: ICE03

String overflow (greater than length permitted in column); Table: Component, Column: KeyPath, Key(s): downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.100.98CB24AD_52FB_DB5F_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E	ice03.html	Component	KeyPath	downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.100.98CB24AD_52FB_DB5F_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E

Evaluation: ICE03

String overflow (greater than length permitted in column); Table: Component, Column: KeyPath, Key(s): downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.100.63E949F6_03BC_5C40_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E	ice03.html	Component	KeyPath	downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.100.63E949F6_03BC_5C40_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E

Evaluation: ICE03

String overflow (greater than length permitted in column); Table: Component, Column: KeyPath, Key(s): downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.101.63E949F6_03BC_5C40_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E	ice03.html	Component	KeyPath	downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.101.63E949F6_03BC_5C40_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E

Evaluation: ICE03

String overflow (greater than length permitted in column); Table: Component, Column: KeyPath, Key(s): downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.103.63E949F6_03BC_5C40_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E	ice03.html	Component	KeyPath	downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.103.63E949F6_03BC_5C40_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E

Evaluation: ICE03

String overflow (greater than length permitted in column); Table: Component, Column: KeyPath, Key(s): downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.104.63E949F6_03BC_5C40_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E	ice03.html	Component	KeyPath	downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.104.63E949F6_03BC_5C40_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E

Evaluation: ICE03

String overflow (greater than length permitted in column); Table: Component, Column: KeyPath, Key(s): downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.762.63E949F6_03BC_5C40_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E	ice03.html	Component	KeyPath	downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.762.63E949F6_03BC_5C40_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E

Evaluation: ICE03

String overflow (greater than length permitted in column); Table: Component, Column: KeyPath, Key(s): downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.193.63E949F6_03BC_5C40_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E	ice03.html	Component	KeyPath	downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.193.63E949F6_03BC_5C40_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E

Evaluation: ICE03

String overflow (greater than length permitted in column); Table: Registry, Column: Registry, Key(s): reg_downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.762.98CB24AD_52FB_DB5F_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E	ice03.html	Registry	Registry	reg_downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.762.98CB24AD_52FB_DB5F_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E

Evaluation: ICE03

String overflow (greater than length permitted in column); Table: Registry, Column: Registry, Key(s): reg_downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.193.98CB24AD_52FB_DB5F_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E	ice03.html	Registry	Registry	reg_downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.193.98CB24AD_52FB_DB5F_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E

Evaluation: ICE03

String overflow (greater than length permitted in column); Table: Registry, Column: Registry, Key(s): reg_downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.104.98CB24AD_52FB_DB5F_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E	ice03.html	Registry	Registry	reg_downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.104.98CB24AD_52FB_DB5F_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E

Evaluation: ICE03

String overflow (greater than length permitted in column); Table: Registry, Column: Registry, Key(s): reg_downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.103.98CB24AD_52FB_DB5F_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E	ice03.html	Registry	Registry	reg_downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.103.98CB24AD_52FB_DB5F_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E

Evaluation: ICE03

String overflow (greater than length permitted in column); Table: Registry, Column: Registry, Key(s): reg_downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.101.98CB24AD_52FB_DB5F_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E	ice03.html	Registry	Registry	reg_downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.101.98CB24AD_52FB_DB5F_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E

Evaluation: ICE03

String overflow (greater than length permitted in column); Table: Registry, Column: Registry, Key(s): reg_downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.100.98CB24AD_52FB_DB5F_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E	ice03.html	Registry	Registry	reg_downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.100.98CB24AD_52FB_DB5F_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E

Evaluation: ICE03

String overflow (greater than length permitted in column); Table: Registry, Column: Registry, Key(s): reg_downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.100.63E949F6_03BC_5C40_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E	ice03.html	Registry	Registry	reg_downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.100.63E949F6_03BC_5C40_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E

Evaluation: ICE03

String overflow (greater than length permitted in column); Table: Registry, Column: Registry, Key(s): reg_downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.101.63E949F6_03BC_5C40_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E	ice03.html	Registry	Registry	reg_downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.101.63E949F6_03BC_5C40_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E

Evaluation: ICE03

String overflow (greater than length permitted in column); Table: Registry, Column: Registry, Key(s): reg_downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.103.63E949F6_03BC_5C40_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E	ice03.html	Registry	Registry	reg_downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.103.63E949F6_03BC_5C40_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E

Evaluation: ICE03

String overflow (greater than length permitted in column); Table: Registry, Column: Registry, Key(s): reg_downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.762.63E949F6_03BC_5C40_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E	ice03.html	Registry	Registry	reg_downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.762.63E949F6_03BC_5C40_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E

Evaluation: ICE03

String overflow (greater than length permitted in column); Table: Registry, Column: Registry, Key(s): reg_downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.104.63E949F6_03BC_5C40_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E	ice03.html	Registry	Registry	reg_downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.104.63E949F6_03BC_5C40_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E

Evaluation: ICE03

String overflow (greater than length permitted in column); Table: Registry, Column: Registry, Key(s): reg_downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.193.63E949F6_03BC_5C40_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E	ice03.html	Registry	Registry	reg_downlevel_manifest.8.0.50727.193.63E949F6_03BC_5C40_FF1F_C8B3B9A1E18E

Evaluation: ICE03

String overflow (greater than length permitted in column); Table: CustomAction, Column: Target, Key(s): Set6to8	ice03.html	CustomAction	Target	Set6to8

Evaluation: ICE03

String overflow (greater than length permitted in column); Table: CustomAction, Column: Target, Key(s): Reset8InstallDir	ice03.html	CustomAction	Target	Reset8InstallDir

Evaluation: ICE03

String overflow (greater than length permitted in column); Table: CustomAction, Column: Target, Key(s): AVWININIUPDATE	ice03.html	CustomAction	Target	AVWININIUPDATE

Evaluation: ICE03

String overflow (greater than length permitted in column); Table: CustomAction, Column: Target, Key(s): Set6to81	ice03.html	CustomAction	Target	Set6to81

Evaluation: ICE03

String overflow (greater than length permitted in column); Table: CustomAction, Column: Target, Key(s): Reset8InstallDir1	ice03.html	CustomAction	Target	Reset8InstallDir1

Evaluation: ICE03

String overflow (greater than length permitted in column); Table: CustomAction, Column: Target, Key(s): PrintEULA	ice03.html	CustomAction	Target	PrintEULA

Evaluation: ICE03

String overflow (greater than length permitted in column); Table: CustomAction, Column: Target, Key(s): EULACleanup	ice03.html	CustomAction	Target	EULACleanup

Evaluation: ICE03

String overflow (greater than length permitted in column); Table: CustomAction, Column: Target, Key(s): UpdateNotes	ice03.html	CustomAction	Target	UpdateNotes

Evaluation: ICE03


Has anyone seen this type of situation before. These are actually from the inclusion of Microsoft_VC80_CRT_x86.msm and policy_8_0_Microsoft_VC80_CRT_x86.msm. I don't know what might have changed with regard to these as they've been included for a while and never caused any overflow, patch delay problems that I can recall. The same goes for the custom action items caught too.

I hope I'm on the right track!


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